Curse

Sharp.Edges · Jun 06, 2006, 05:07 AM // 05:07

Hey, I need help with a E/Me Ascension build. Please post your suggestions, thanks ;D

P.S. The build I have now really blows, that's why I'm asking for help. And Gamefaqs.com doesn't have anything for Ele's.. But anyway. Yeah, I've lost against my doppelganger like 20 times...

Francis Crawford · Jun 06, 2006, 05:41 AM // 05:41

Two skills from Pre-Searing: Backfire and Flare. Maximize Domination and minimize Fire Magic. Takes about 10 seconds.

I actually did it with Ice Spikes in the place of Flare, and brought 6 other skills that were used by neither side. But those two will get it done.

kuwlij · Jun 06, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

the exploit on the doppledanger (or whatever his name is) you can just pile on attunments and other enchantments that take time to cast, AI will cast those first. Hit him with MS and another spammable spell like flare.. sometimes i just do it for fun. as an e/r ranger has some spells with pretty long cast time

bam23 · Jun 06, 2006, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Echo meteor showerftwmfwmtwf.

Sarphram · Jun 06, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26

If Guildwiki is correct, then the Doppelganger has max attributes (12) regardless of what yours are at the time, so setting your fire to 0 won't help anything.

ShadowStorm · Jun 06, 2006, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Before the AoE nerf, all you had to do was take Maelstrom. Press c, then the corresponding number for maelstrom right when you get in and the doppelganger would be dead before the maelstrom ended if you were a competent Nuker. Now, I'd have to agree with the first poster: Take Backfire and a spammable spell and that's all and watch as the doppelganger backfires himself to death, or take empathy and a spell of your choice and dodge all the doppelganger's arrows while occasionally firing off your spell of choice.

Pick Me · Jun 06, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

E/Me - equip the following:

Empathy (Domination)
Spirit Shackles (Inspiration)
Spirit Of Pain (Inspiration)
Illusion of Weakness (Illusion)
Armor Of Frost (Water)
Blinding Flash (Air)
Physical Resistance (Inspiration)
Resurrection Signet

You can subsitute Armor of Frost for Signet of Capture; same goes with Blinding Flash and Physical Resistance

Main attributes are:
Domination Magic - MAX
Inspiration Magic - 0 - Max
Illusion Magic - 0 - Max
Energy Storage - 0 - Max
Air Magic - 0 - Max
Water Magic - 0 - Max

Cast Illusionary Weakness before you start touching the stones. It means less wait time for you to recover all of your lost hitpoints.

The idea is to cast Empathy and the Spirit spells on Doppleganger. Cast blinding Flash, Armor of Frost and Physical Resistance if you want.

Illusionary Weakness is your only healing spell. It activates as soon as you take too much damage. The doppleganger will cast it and will damage itself. Since it is in battle, it won't be able to heal over time. Without any skills to heal, it won't heal at all.

Empathy is your only damaging spell. So cast it as often as needed. Spirit Shackles and Spirit of Pain is to take energy away from the doppleganger and give you energy (respectively). Not so much as a real defense, but it helps. Armor and Blinding is for defense, so cast them as needed.

Do not attack at all. The doppleganger will use these spells on you, so don't bother attacking, just cast.

The reason for not using Backfire is because the doppleganger is a Ranger/Warrior/Spellcaster. You are just a spellcaster. Who do you think it will hurt more by casting Backfire?

This won't take as little as 10 seconds, but it will give you victory.

Hope this helps you.

Queenie · Jun 06, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by bam23

Echo meteor showerftwmfwmtwf.

That isnt going to help, Echo can only be capped on the RoF or somewhere in Cantha, but otherwise When I went up against my doppleganger I used air magic and killed her in 5 seconds flat.

Sharp.Edges · Jun 06, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

E/Me - equip the following:
Spirit Of Pain (Inspiration)

Umm, I'm not entirely sure that there is a Spirit of Pain spell like you mentioned. If you could tell me where you got the spell or correct the error, either one works.
OMG, thank you so much. It worked, Empathy FTW

fallot · Jun 06, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharp.Edges

Umm, I'm not entirely sure that there is a Spirit of Pain spell like you mentioned. If you could tell me where you got the spell or correct the error, either one works.

It should be Spirit of Failure.

Pick Me · Jun 06, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Sorry, its called Spirit of Failure. Spirit of Pain was damage is foe misses - Necromancer.

Thanks for catching that.

fallot · Jun 06, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

Spirit of Pain was damage is foe misses - Necromancer.

That's Price of Failure

Francis Crawford · Jun 06, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

I repeat -- two skills, 10 seconds.

Well, maybe 10-15 seconds.

abacusnx · Jun 07, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

I had the same problem and the replies I got from the thread helped:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3025757

Pick Me · Jun 07, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by abacusnx

I had the same problem and the replies I got from the thread helped:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3025757

Not to seem arrogant or anything, but Abacusnx used my advise in beating the doppleganger.

I don't know how long it too Abacusnx to beat the doppleganger using my advise, but at least there is testimonial proof it works.

Unless you are excellent at dodging Flares and Ice Spikes, you may end up getting hit more often and for more damage than backfire will do on the doppleganger. Backfire works for some, but not all. Francis Crawford probably could do more damage using backfire (the only spell cast by him) while the doppleganger will cast both Backfire and Ice Spike/Flare.

Good luck in beating your doppleganger.

abacusnx · Jun 08, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

lol it didn't take long at all with your advice Pick Me

batou · Jun 08, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Backfire/empathybackfire/empathybackfire/empathybackfire/empathybackfire/empathy
.backfire/empathybackfire/empathybackfire/empathybackfire/empathybackfire/empathy

carbajac · Jun 08, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

On my characters with a Mesmer secondary, I just max out Domination, put on Backfire and a bunch of Mesmer hexes that trigger when you take an action (like Shame or Diversion or somthing like that) or Illusion magic hexes with no points in Illusion magic or even hexes from your primary line with no points in that attribute either (Rust or something). Cast Backfire and he kills himself and he's quick about it too! Bonus and everthing.

Edit: Just to clear up...cast Backfire and don't cast anything else (if you didn't figure that out).

Francis Crawford · Jun 08, 2006, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pick Me

Unless you are excellent at dodging Flares and Ice Spikes, you may end up getting hit more often and for more damage than backfire will do on the doppleganger. Backfire works for some, but not all. Francis Crawford probably could do more damage using backfire (the only spell cast by him) while the doppleganger will cast both Backfire and Ice Spike/Flare.

I just stood there and wanded him, with no effort to evade his spells. Every spell he cast did 100+ damage to him, IIRC, and a lot less to me.

Luciora · Jun 08, 2006, 07:01 AM // 07:01

I don't see why you are experiencing so much trouble with the doppelganger...
I walked in there with my standard fire build (listed in a thread here somewhere), he started by using the big slow spells like Meteor shower, all I did was move out of the way, spam flare. He was dead in just over 10 seconds.